Excerpts from the Mike Jarmus Show
February 7, 1999
Transcribed by Mike Hull
Donaldson:
When you have one or two witnesses
you can really go astray but when you have all of these witnesses in a 240
degree semicircle - in other words almost three quarters of a circle
situated around the launch and crash sites ......
Jarmus: That
would give you some triangulation!
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Donaldson: We have developed a hugh amount of evidence. We have essentially followed in the footprints of the FBI missile team. We have made contact now with the military authorities they were working with and we have essentially found that they knew what had happened to the airplane almost from the very beginning and it was just not politically correct - it was a political coverup. I can tell you right now we are just a few weeks away from sending letters to Mr. Hall giving him 60 days to do a certain test series and if he fails to do that - the test series that the military outlined for him to prove that the airplane was shot down by a stinger missile that entered the wing root of the left wing, into the #2 main tank and exploded in the tank. If they don't do that we are going to go to the authorities in Long Island and start filing charges - criminal charges - against Federal investigators.
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Jarmus: It just boggles the mind that mainstream media and the networks and major newspapers ... barely want to touch this.
Donaldson: We understand a lot more now than we did three months
ago. Part of the problem is a mind-boggling concept - the idea that -- I
can tell you in a nutshell what happened here. You have the administration
- and it would have to come from the White House - who is in a very sensitive
position. When that airplane was shot down, the reason they were in
a sensitive position is they knew in the White House that there were three
Stinger missiles that had crossed the Canadian border - smuggled in seven
months before the fact. The CIA knew it and the FBI knew it. ... and what's
embarassing to the media is The Times of London within five weeks of the
shootdown figured it all out and their publication back on the 25th of August
1996
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(Note from Mike Hull - the following is the
article referred to
August 25, 1996 Times of London
U.S. officials are investigating reports that Islamic terrorists have smuggled
Stinger ground-to-air missiles into the United States from Pakistan.
Senior Iranian sources close to the fundamentalist
regime in Tehran claimed this weekend that TWA flight 800 was shot down last
month by one of three shoulder-fired Stingers of the type used
by Islamic guerrillas during the Afghanistan war. The sources said the missiles
arrived in America seven months ago after being
shipped from Karachi via Rotterdam and on to the
Canadian port of Halifax. They claimed an
Egyptian fundamentalist group backed by
Iran was responsible for smuggling the weapons across the
Canadian border into the United States. The group, the Gama'a al-Islamiya,
comprises followers of Sheik Omar
Abdel-Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric jailed in the United States
over the 1993 New York World Trade Center bombing. A senior White House official
responsible for counter-terrorism told The Sunday Times this weekend that
he had seen a report that a Stinger missile had been smuggled into the United
States from Pakistan. The official, who is involved in collating
intelligence relating to the TWA inquiry for the White House, said investigators
were aware of reports that Stingers may have been smuggled into the country....
If a Stinger was the cause of this, our first theory would be that it came
from Afghanistan." The official was commenting on reports from Tehran that
claimed several groups funded by the religious
authorities in Iran are active in the United States. The reports claim one
previously unknown underground group called Falakh may have as many as 50
highly trained terrorists in the country.
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they explained that very fact that missiles had come in from Pakistan ... and across the Canadian border and they were being brought in by surrogates of Iran - the common term is terrorists. The reality is that the Clinton administration engaged in an economic war with Iran beginning in 1995 which wasn't covered in our media in any depth at all ..... What Mr. Clinton did was sanction Iran back in 95 and then in 96 there was a formal piece of legislation named the Libyian - Iranian Sanctions Act - and when he signed that the Iranian Supreme Council - they went ballistic - and they actually said in their own media that it was tantamount to an act of war. The Congress passed it, he signed it and in less than a month the Khobar Towers attack occurred in Saudi Arabia and the intent, again by Iranian surrogates, was to kill hundreds of airforce personnel. It was tragic enough, it killed 19..... Within weeks TWA - missiles already being in place .. - the administration thought - and I have got testimony to back this up - the administration expected that if the missiles were going to be used against airlines they would be used in Atlanta ... for airlines going in to support the Olympics ... which were starting a few days after TWA 800 went down. Well, they guessed wrong and the shot came - the shot that knocked down 800 was not even the first shot - it was the second attempt. The first attempt occurred on the morning of the 13th in the same place in Long Island. The FBI has in their possession a videotape of that event and they took that videotape to military experts that we now have essentially supplying us with information. They looked at it and proclaimed that's what it was. A guy with an amateur video camera up on his roof ...captured the smoke trail of a stinger shot. It was probably out of range and Flight 800 would have been out of range if it hadn't been held down in its climb. They didn't climb as fast as they normally would have because of crossing traffic. .... The President knew as soon as he heard that aircraft was down in the water and that there were streaks seen in the sky - they knew exactly what happened to that airplane.
Jarmus: Because they had had intelligence that said stinger missiles had been smuggled across the border from Canada.
Donaldson: Six months in advance. And they had to have known who it was and they had to have known why it was happening and look at the people that are involved in this. The CIA, of course it is their responsibility to provide the intelligence outside the borders; the FBI is supposed to make the intercept if they can. None of that happened. So the aircraft goes down - it's 15 weeks before the election - it fits the personality of Mr. Clinton to a T.
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Jarmus: I ran across a piece which indicated that this mystery television camera crew has come forward .... who say that they got an on-camera interview with a KC 130 crew .... who said that they witnessed something of the type you are talking about and then some airforce officials came out and hustled them off and when they returned they denied seeing anything.
Donaldson: The problem is - and I don't want to get these guys in trouble - I don't mean the media people, I mean the aviators, they made some statements that were apparently captured on video but we have yet to get anyone to give that up. I've interviewed the senior man and he is very reluctant to make a statement at this point - I can understand why. Let me tell you, Mike, we put out a full page ad in the NY Times back in October and from then on we have just about been overrun on our 800 number ... and that's where these breakthroughs I've been telling you in the last few minutes. Essentially all of that information came in from those witnesses that stepped up to the plate .. called us..and we've interviewed them. We are looking now at around 101 witnesses that were on seventeen boats, three aircraft and at 30 different locations on shore. .... The big news is that we just got a slew of people that were on boats. We only had three or four boats prior to that ad - now we're up to 17. Some of them are critical. Out of the 101 witnesses, 17 of those witnesses were not interviewed by the FBI. ...... Five or six of these people in the closest boats nails this thing down to a T. .... When you have one or two witnesses you can really go astray but when you have all of these witnesses in a 240 degree semicircle - in other words almost three quarters of a circle situated around the launch and crash sites ..
Jarmus: That would give you some triangulation!
Donaldson: It sure does and not only that they are giving me the same missile burn time. In other words I'm getting now that most of these people at sea saw a six second burn climbing almost vertically. Quite a few of them saw a slight manouver right at the end of the burn and then the explosion at the aircraft. The FBI, and this is where you almost have to hold on to your hat here because through our military sources ... senior military officers called us up and gave us a data dump and it was a windfall. What they told us is what the FBI came to them with. In other words here's the way it went down. The FBI had a missile team with very agressive FBI agents ... when the whole story comes out there are going to be some FBI heros in this ... and these guys pressed as hard as they could to get as much information as they could in a short time. But they knew going in ... I'm talking about the junior FBI people .. here are the facts they had .. they had a witness that saw a missile climb up with a 6 second burn time, saw it impact on the left wing root .. the description was they saw the impact "puff" on the left wing root and then an explosion and the aircraft come apart. The FBI went to the military with that and right away the military was telling them that a six second burn is a stinger. A stinger burns actually 6.5 seconds. You get a flash at first and 1.5 seconds the missile will go to Mach 2.2 - then the sustainer portion of the missile takes over for the next five seconds. You get a total of 6.5 seconds total burn time. This witness described it perfectly. They go into the military laboratory and they do the computer runouts for a missile target based on the Flight 800 altitude and airspeed and lo and behold when they did that they discovered that the radar contact that the FBI knew about - that was out in front of Flight 800 at 2.9 miles away - a surface contact - that boat was well within the in-range footprint of a launch of a stinger - it was inside the maximum range by about 1.6 nautical miles.
Jarmus: .... There was debate that a stinger missile can't make that altitude ....
Donaldson: I was right there with them. Here's the reason. What was put out to the public was misinformation but it fitted what a lot of military guys like me remembered. When you give the statistics out on a stinger it is against a manoevering military tactical airplane. 10,000 feet would be a good cut off if you're shooting at an F16 or and F14 - he's going to turn and the missile can't make the turn ... but they found out when they went into the computer that the stinger probably could have made the hit at 400 or 500 hundred feet even higher than that airplane was. I have the military computer runout on it .... the boat was in range .... the witness saw it hit the leading edge of the left wing root ... Mike, I'm telling you that the damage to the left wing can only be caused by high explosive.
Jarmus: And what I can't keep out of my mind is where those stingers had to have originally come from.