Dr. Mazlen
We have as our guest, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard graduate, independent investigator and internationally known authority on public health education who's the author of the bestselling book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola."

Why are we talking to Dr. Horowitz? Simply. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients have a depressed immune system. They have immune deficiency. They have immune suppression. They are sitting ducks for any kind of new viruses, especially those with the ability to destroy the immune system. So, without any further ado, welcome to the show, Dr. Horowitz.

Dr. Horowitz
Thank you, Dr. Mazlen, it's a great privilege and pleasure to be with you.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, we're delighted that we're able to talk to you today. Let me let you start by introducing us to the general scope of your book.

Dr. Horowitz
Well, I spent three years investigating a 1970 Dept. of Defense appropriations request for 10 million dollars into a 5 year study to develop immune system ravaging micro-organisms for germ warfare. I didn't believe at first that this was a legitimate document. Ultimately I tracked the money following a paper trail of scientific literature and government documents and I found that the money had gone to an organization called Litton Bionedics. Did you ever hear of Litton microwave ovens?

Dr. Mazlen
Surely.

Dr. Horowitz
Well, they're also a subsidiary of a megamilitary weapons contracting firm and they have a medical subsidiary which was called Litton Bionedics. They were sixth on the list with major army biological weapons contractors during the late sixties and early seventies. And they commuted numerous immune system ravaging micro-organisms for germ warfare. They were the reciprients for over 2 million dollars a year to develop these types of micro-organisms, not only for biological weapons research and development, but also for cancer research and vaccine research and development. So, that's basically the book. "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola" goes into who made these types of viruses-- the AIDS-like, Ebola-like viruses--how they made them, virtually every step of the way, why they made them and then most incredibly I found and reprinted in black and white, the US government contracts which show you how much US taxpayers pay to finance these research efforts.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, of course, this is a very serious concern to our listening audience. Those who have Chronic Fatigue or those who suspect they may have or those who are not sure, because any new virus or any virus which has the ability to suppress immunity constitutes a major threat to these people and to the general public as well. Now in your book, I'm going to quote you, on page 134 you say, "Putting all the facts together I now understand how humanly benign DNA monkey viruses" and you mention a few "and other common retrovirus vaccine contaminants like SFV could have over a period of a few decades become RNA retroviruses that by contaminated vaccines spread to millions of people around the world." Could you amplify that a little bit for the audience?

Dr. Horowitz
Certainly. The gist of the book and the warning of the book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola" is that we have a Food and Drug Administration that does not tell health scientists or health professionals nor the public the truth about the contaminated vaccines, the methods in which the vaccines are prepared, for example, the oral polio vaccine, which still to this day is being prepared in contaminated monkey kidney tissues which are bringing with it a variety of not only monkey virus contaminants but also the herpes type viruses which we now know, such as simian cytomegalovirus, Epstein Barr, herpes B which we know is immune system suppressing types of viruses. We know also that the vaccine that most plausibly delivered AIDS and possibly even Chronic Fatigue to the world since they both broke out in the same year, 1978, and we know that the vaccine was prepared--the 1974 experiemental hepatitis B vaccine that was prepared in Merck, Sharpe and Dome's Laboratories along with support from the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration. We know that this particular hepatitis B vaccine was partly prepared also in contaminated monkeys that were shipped by Litton, again a biological weapons contracting firm for the Dept. of Defense. And we know for a fact that the monkeys were contaminated in which these vaccines were produced. We even have testimonial by the man who created these vaccines to that effect. His name is Dr. Maurice Hillerman, who was Merck, Sharpe and Dome's leading vaccine developer and so they developed these vaccines partly in contaminated animals and then they innoculated them into human beings and it was therefore an accident waiting to happen that we would have a variety of immune system related disorders including weird cancers and weird autoimmune illnesses that we have in epidemic proportions today.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, that, of course, brings up a lot of issues but I want to go back to your book again were you said, quoting you about Hillerman where Dr. Shorter interrupted a hearing and he said "Well now, because there were 40 different viruses in these vaccines, anyway, we were inactivating" and then somebody responded "But you weren't inactivating the SV-40 simian virus 40." And then Hillerman said "No, that's right." And he even went on to say, and I'm quoting him, "But yellow fever vaccines had leukemia virus in it." And you know this is in the days of very crude science. So, here we now learn from the very statements that they made that not only were there immune damaging viruses, potentially even viruses that could spread leukemia virus and you do go into this in the book, you talk about cases of T-cell leukemia. What about that for example. Is there still some risk of that occurring?

Dr. Horowitz
I believe so Dr. Mazlen. I believe that many of these risks still continue till this day. Let me give you an example again directly from the book. "Today, your Food and Drug Administration which we rely upon for both our personal and our children's health and safety, they must turn a blind eye to as many as 100 monkey virus contaminants per dose of the oral polio vaccine that we're allegedly by law told we must give our children today." And I just say "allegedly" because it's not true. We have spiritual and religious exemptions that you can get and it is actually voluntary but they make it seem like you can't go to school or you can't your children into schools or you can't work in, for example, health care settings without getting these vaccines and that's not the truth. But you see the Food and Drug Administration must turn a blind eye to at least 100 of these contaminants per dose because their hands are tied by proprietary laws and non-disclosure agreements placed upon them by the pharmaceutical industry. In other words, they're muzzled by the drug makers. So, they can't even tell our scientists the true extent of the contaminations and the risks associated with the vaccines. Therefore the physicians who get most of their continuing medical education paid for by the pharmaceutical industry as well, they never learn the truth and subsequently, when they look at patients with running eyes and say these vaccines are for your own good or for your children's own good, they believe it. And they're just basically brainwashed. They're like cult followers but they don't even know who their cult leaders are in many cases.

Dr. Mazlen
Well, we certainly don't get any real information on the process of vaccine making in medical school. I mean there really isn't anything in the curriculum, I don't remember anything in the curriculum that applies to that whatsoever and so as you say, it's a fait accomple. You are just told to do it. It's good and you do it. This changes the whole picture, because in good conscience you wouldn't be giving something if you knew that it was contaminated with something that's detrimental.

Now we're going to go right to our guest to talk a little bit about the work that's been done by W. John Martin and how it fits into this book. Dr. W. John Martin, M.D., Ph.D. wrote the foreword to this book and there's a section in it in which Dr. Horowitz talks about Martin's experience at the FDA at a time when he was director of the viral oncology branch at the FDA's Bureau of Biologics and that he had been informed that there was contamination by simian cytomegalic virus. This is important because Dr. Martin has been reporting cases of a stealth virus, a CMV virus which is in the herpes family in the Mohave Valley area in Arizona which has been spreading in every direction and toward the major cities and population centers. I would like it very much if you would comment on this. Dr. Horowitz Sure, Dr. Mazlen, I'd be happy to. Now this basically comes from personal conversations with Dr. Martin. Dr. Martin, of course, as you mentioned, wrote the foreword to this book, Emerging Viruses, and he talks about his experience as the Bureau of Biologics vaccine tester and actually in charge of testing humans for vaccine contamination between 1976 and 1980 and at one point in the book he cites the fact that there's no reason for these vaccines to continue to be contaminated. That the authorities had held the capacity and the technology to clean them up but yet they don't. Well, I go into detail about the social-political background on that and I'm not going to go into that on your program today because we don't have the time, but suffice it to say, let me give you one example, that when Dr. Martin found some of these foreign viruses and DNA viruses and RNA viruses and this was in the vaccines that he found them and he went to his superior at the National Institute of Health and the FDA and he said to him, "You know, we've got a problem with these vaccines" and his boss said to him, "John, forget it." He said, "Everytime you eat an apple, you're taking in foreign DNA." And that was the response.

Dr. Mazlen
That's not too comforting overall. In fact, it's a comment that leads one to feel a certain sense of insecurity about vaccines and there have been times when we've had guests on this program who commented about whether or not they should give vaccines to their children or to people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and it makes it difficult to counsel them because you're really not sure what's there. Now specifically Martin also mentions and you say it in the book, as far as the SV-40 which was in the oral polio vaccines, that actually is pretty much carried in the general community and it's spreading.

Dr. Horowitz
Right and as a matter of fact, it was I think three weeks ago now where the Journal of the American Medical Association carried the first article showing that the simian virus 40, the 40th monkey virus ever discovered and it was known in 1961 that it was contaminating both Salk and Sabin polio vaccines and that in fact those vaccines had been given to well over 100 million people around the world, mostly in Russia and that according to Dr. Hillerman, we have him on tape, again being interviewed by Shorter, saying that the joke of the day in 1961 became, since they had just innoculated mostly Russians with this contaminated vaccine, the Russian athletes were going to come to the next Olympics full of tumors. Well, you see they never cleaned them up, not completely, and today, again we're still getting and we're still giving contaminated monkey viruses to human beings. The article in JAMA discusses the fact that specific types of cancers, unique cancers they said and they stated that the general public should not be concerned, and I beg to differ with them, I think it should be an extreme concern, I think that we should literally have a moratorium on US government promulgated vaccines until there is a thorough independent scientific investigation as well as hopefully a Congressional investigation into all the documented facts. But the JAMA article said that there were now unique cancers associated with SV-40. An earlier article talked about 25% of a very large Italian population carrying these monkey viruses in their human bodies and I suspect that it's larger percentage here in the United States and then the fact that you literally had in 1972 after crusading for 10 years a woman by the name of Bernice Eddy who literally discovered this particular virus that was first called SE polyoma (sp?). She discovered this virus in contaminated polio vaccines and she took photographs of a dozen monkeys who had been kealed over dead and paralyzed when she administered the vaccine and her boss at the NIH confiscated the photos and demoted and defunded her and then 10 years later in 1972 she gets before Congress and she tells the United States Congress people, she said "If you continue to allow these contaminated vaccines to go out, I guarantee you over the next 20 years you will have epidemics of cancer unlike the world has ever seen" and that's precisely what we have today.

Dr. Mazlen
Certainly, if you include the AIDS virus as part of this, no doubt. In terms of your research which is extensive in the book and I certainly think that anyone who reads it will be impressed by the amount of work that you've done. You do go into at length the fact that the AIDS virus might have come about through synthetic development, blending a number of killer viruses in an effort to make an immune destroying virus. When did that happen?

Dr. Horowitz
This type of research wherein simian virus 40 and other monkey viruses were used and the mutated or hybridized with other animal cancer viruses, this began in the early 1960's. The contracts that are reprinted in the book, "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola" shows that it was February 12th, 1962 that the "special virus cancer program" began. That was a largely funded mostly secret program that resulted as the people on the inside at the National Institute of Health realized that they had just innoculated well over 100 million people around the world with cancer virus-ridden vaccines. So, that they started this, this was kind of like the ground floor of a huge business opportunity at that point and they began to do extensive research in mutating monkey viruses to see what would produce cancer with them and then perhaps how might they be treated with vaccines and whatever else. So, it was in the 60's and particularly by the late 60's they were very adept at--researchers at Litton Bionedics, Dr. Robert Gallo was overseeing them and researchers at the National Cancer Institute as well--were very adept at taking monkey viruses and recombining them with things like feline leukemia virus RNA that caused a whole laundry list of symptoms virtually identical to what AIDS patients suffer from. And another favorite one that they used to mutate monkey viruses with were the chicken leukemia sarcoma virus RNA that caused wasting, immunosuppression and death, and then the researchers recorded that to get this type of a virus to jump species readily, they cultured it in human white blood cells in some studies and human fetal tissue cells in culture in other studies so that it would adapt, the virus would develop what's called the attachment apparatus. Those are the unique proteins like the GP-120-like protein.

Dr. Mazlen
A couple of very important things I want to say before we have to close the show for today. One, is it safe for people to donate blood if you're not screening for SV-40 and simian CMV virus?

Dr. Horowitz
You know, I think not. I think that's a very urgent question that should also be addressed by independent scientific investigation and Congressional investigation. You see the blood bankers, the International blood "banksters" as I like to call them, these are the people that allow 10,000 hemophiliacs throughout the United States to get HIV contaminated blood and now we've been recently told that if you gote a blood transfusion between 1970 and 1990 you better go get checked for the cancer ticking time bomb virus called hepatitis C. These are the same people that have allowed these types of things. They're very related financially and otherwise to the companies that have been producing the contaminated vaccines. And my concern is that they're making vast fortunes off of humanity's suffering with the healthcare system as well as people are dying off this planet. It's interesting that that fulfills a very clear and a well articulated, well documented population reduction agenda. So, I'm concerned about those issues.

Dr. Mazlen
We're going to have you back at another time to talk about some of this. I also want to give you an opportunity because there's going to be a lot of people who are interested in your book and your research. What number can they reach you at about these things?

Dr. Horowitz
Well, the materials can be gained by calling a toll free number. It's 1-888-508-4787. An easy way to remember that number is 1-888-50-VIRUS. And I'm pleased to tell you that despite the fact that over the last year and a half all the major chain store buyers have refused to buy the book, in other words there has been a boycott against the book "Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola", it did become a bestseller in hardcover about 4 months ago with the number of sales but this week Crown Books finally gave us their first order. You could probably go get the book in Crown bookstores today.

Dr. Mazlen
Congratulations on that. We're certainly going to invite you back later in the year to expound on many of these things, I want to ask you though, are you researching now in the current period of time as to what's happening with some of these things, because the hepatitis B vaccine you implicated might have been contaminated at one point in time. Is it still contaminated?

Dr. Horowitz
Yes, it is. As a matter of fact I just came back from France not too long ago where one of the top virologists in the world, cancer virologists who used to work with Gallo and Montagne, his name is Merko Valjenski and he basically gave me some scientific documents showing that today's hepatitis B vaccine is still carrying a very carcinogenic enzyme that the authorities still have not removed.

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