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The History of the Dogo Argentino

Characteristics of the Dogo Argentino

Things to be aware of before taking the leap

All about Thunder Mountain Kennel

Our Goals and Policies

How to order our 2 hour video tape

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THE DOGO ARGENTINO

CONSUMATE BOAR HUNTER & WORKING DOG PAR EXCELLENCE

by Karolyn Harris.   Copyright 1994. All rights reserved.

DOGO HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT

The Dogo’s Opponent

As a hunter, the Dogo is ultimately shaped and molded by his prey - the wild boar or jabali. To truly know the Dogo, one must learn about the wild boar. Wild boar are not native to South America. The first domesticated pigs were brought by the Conquistadors and the following colonists. Herds of domesticated pigs were usually turned loose in the woods in the fall to fatten on acorns, and in the spring to clear land for agricultural use by rooting up trees and bushes. Naturally, some of these domestic pigs escaped and became feral. It wasn’t until 1908 that Black Russian or European Wild Boar were brought to the New World and put on a hunting preserve, from which they escaped.

The wild boar in modern Argentina are a mixture of the Russian/European Wild Boar and feral pigs. Adults normally weigh in at 400 to 450 lbs. but 600 lbs is by no means uncommon. The rich grasslands (pampas) and the lack of natural predators allow them to grow large and to multiply. The multiplication is very rapid, because in a subtropical climate the sows will have 3 litters of 5-10 piglets per year. The wild boar are famous for the extensive damage they do to crops and to orchards, but worse than that, the wild boar are very fast, very powerful, and very aggressive. Wild boar kill many peasants and farmers each year, as well as killing and eating livestock (usually lambs and calves).

In spite of this, boar hunting in modern Argentina is not done with rifles or handguns, it is done in the traditional "monteria criolla" style. The "monteria" is evolved from the medieval boar hunts of the European aristocracy. In these medieval boar hunts large packs of dogs and mounted nobles armed with spears, chased, attacked and killed the boar. In modern Argentina, a person who hunts wild boar with a gun is considered to be low class and cowardly.

The "monteria" involves tracking, chasing and catching the boar using dogs and killing it with a large knife. The "monteria" is an established, respected tradition, handed down by the European nobility with its’ own customs and mystique. The Argentineans have even developed a breed of dog specifically for the "monteria" - the Argentine Dogo (also known as the Dogo Argentino or the Argentine Mastiff.)

 

The Dogos’ Development.

The Dogo was created in the 1920’s by Dr. Antonio Nores Martinez and his brother Dr. Augustin Nores Martinez. The Dogo is based on the Cordoba Fighting Dog (a crossbred Mastiff, Bull Terrier and old style Bulldog). which Antonio, as a youth, saw fighting in the local pits. The Cordoba Fighting Dog was so ferociously dog aggressive that it is now extinct, simply because males and females would rather fight than mate. Antonio felt that a dog that showed such courage and tenacity; often fighting to the death for a few pesos, was being shamefully wasted. Thinking that these valiant gladiators would be the perfect adversary for the dangerous wild boar and puma, he tried hunting with them but found that they only wanted to fight each other and to hell with the boar.

So using the Cordoba Fighting Dog as a base, Antonio set about creating the perfect boar and mountain lion hunter, but he also had a second goal. Antonio wanted his new breed to also function as a home and family guardian. Antonio felt that a guard dog was worthless if it abandoned a fight when subjected to pain - he wanted a dog that would fight to the death, if necessary, to defend its’ master. With these two goals in mind, he added Pointer to increase scenting ability, Boxer for intelligence and trainability, Great Dane for size, Bull Terrier for fearlessness, Bulldog for chest width and valor, Irish Wolfhound for hunting instinct and speed, Dogue de Bordeaux for jaw strength, Great Pyrenees for size and white coat and Spanish Mastiff for power. Antonio used several of the best specimens of each breed and developed several family lines which he named after the indigenous Indian tribes - the Aracauna, Guarani and Inca.  He mixed  these bloodlines carefully, often culling entire litters because they had undesirable traits. After Antonio was murdered by a thief, Augustin continued developing and refining the Dogo.

The Dogo was recognized by the FCA (Argentine Kennel Club) in 1964 and by the FCI (Federation Cynologique International) in 1973. The first Dogos arrived in America in the mid 80’s and there are currently about 300 to 500 Dogos in the U.S

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   Gator

 DOGO CHARACTERISTICS

The Dogo is a masterpiece of genetic manipulation and the life’s work of two men. Virtually every characteristic of the Dogo is designed for hunting and fighting Boar and Puma. The Dogo is a large, powerful dog (23 ½" to 27" and 75 - 100 lbs.) since it must be able to pull down a large boar, yet the Dogo is not so large that it isn’t agile enough to avoid the slashing tusks.

 

Indio de las Pampas  (R) & Thunder Mountain's El Conquistador  aka "Cory" (L)

Dogos have a short white coat so they can tolerate tropical heat and be seen at night or in thick brush. The tough skin is fairly loose around the neck to prevent injury to the throat.

 

Indio de Las Pampas

The ears are cropped short to provide better ventilation in the wet tropics and to prevent them from being shredded in the hunt. The head, jaws and teeth are shaped to give the Dogo the biting power to hold a boar until the hunter arrives. The flews are not loose or hanging as this would prevent the Dogo from breathing through its’ mouth while holding the boar.

The angulation of the shoulders and rear assembly is medium and balanced. An over angulated Dogo would be unable to lock its’ stifles while fighting the boar, while a Dogo with straight stifles would have a shorter stride, resulting in decreased speed and endurance. The chest should be broad and deep for great lung capacity. The pasterns should be only slightly bent to act as good shock absorbers.

  Gator

 The Dogo should have medium bone. Heavy bone decreases speed, agility and endurance while light bone is prone to injuries. The feet should be tight and well padded to enable the Dogo to travel over rough terrain for long distances. The tail is left natural for use as a counterbalance while fighting the Boar. All in all, the Dogo is powerful yet agile and capable of lightning speed and incredible stamina.

The Dogo is a dog with a very strong temperament. The Dogo has often been called a primitive breed because it has very strong hunting instincts. Most Dogos know that other animals are food and will kill them and eat them. In this respect the Dogo is very close to being like a wolf. Some Argentineans don’t even feed their Dogos - they let their Dogos hunt for their own food and go boar hunting with them often. The kill is split between the hunter and the Dogos.

The Dogo is also a very sensitive dog and rarely needs physical corrections. A heavy handed or harsh owner would quickly ruin a Dogo. This sensitivity makes it possible for an experienced dog owner to moderate or channel the strong hunting instinct into other outlets more appropriate to suburban life. Gentle corrections consistently applied are far more successful than harsh physical corrections. Usually a stern tone of voice is enough to get the message across.

The Dogo is highly intelligent and in training this is a double edged sword. The Dogo is easily trained and learns quickly using positive motivation, but the Dogo is also easily bored by overwork and repetition.

The Dogo is very loyal and bonds very tightly with his family. This tight bonding has two facets - once bonded, older Dogos don’t transfer ownership very well. They are very stressed and upset at losing their family. It is not unusual for stress related health problems to arise. Owning a Dogo requires a serious commitment for the life of the dog. If you can’t make the commitment, don’t get a Dogo - they are one family dogs.

(L - R)  "Cory",  "Reno", and Indio de las Pampas aka "Indy"

The other facet of the tight bond is that the Dogo is very people oriented and wants to be in close contact with their owner. For this reason, Dogos don’t make good kennel or backyard dogs. Being separated from their owners is stressful for them and they are very unhappy. Yard and kennel Dogos are under constant levels of stress and can be subject to stress related health problems. The best situation for a Dogo is to be a member of a stable family and live in the house with them.

Dogos make good watchdogs. Dogos are very alert, and with proper socialization have a good sense of judgment. However, being a hunting dog, they are not the type of dog you could put on the front porch and expect them to stay there.

The courage of the Dogo is legendary. There are many stories of Dogos fighting to the death to protect their master from the charge of a ferocious wild Boar. Dogos certainly have a "never say die" attitude which makes them very tenacious and determined hunters.

Dogos have a high pain tolerance; which is necessary for an effective Boar hunter, but presents a problem to the pet owner. Pet Dogos tend to be very rough in their play and often get scrapes, wounds, torn toenails or imbedded foxtails but will not show signs that anything is wrong with them. For this reason, the Dogo owner should examine their Dogo thoroughly after hikes and rough-housing. Frequent grooming will also help the Dogo owner discover any problems.

ARBA CH. Illcuve Alatu FRI  aka "Cuda".

We have found some subtle differences between the sexes. Adult males are outgoing and friendly with strangers if their owner accepts the stranger. Around the home, adult males can be somewhat aloof and independent of their family - preferring to spend most of the day snoozing in a back bedroom (but they are alert and ready at a moments’ notice.) Females are friendly with accepted strangers but not as boisterous as the males. However with their own family, the females are much more affectionate than the males. Our females are our white shadows - following us everywhere through the house. Females, in general, like to be snuggled, cuddled and petted more than the males. Don’t let this fool you though - female Dogos are every bit as tough as the boys and, in Argentina, there are just as many females as males hunting Boar. Often the females have slightly sharper senses and hunting instincts than the males. Females are also less apt to challenge their owners’ dominance, and for this reason we recommend the females over males around kids. Most male Dogos are pretty dominant dogs and need a very experienced, responsible owner who has a lot of common sense and isn’t faint of heart.

All in all, it is plain to see that the Dogo is not the dog for everyone. Their extreme hunting drive and tenacity coupled with a high energy level and intelligence result in a dog that is too much for the average dog owner to handle.

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THINGS TO NOTE

While Dogos tolerate heat well (for a dog), Dogos are not very cold tolerant. They can tolerate cold weather while they are working and moving, but can’t stay out in it. Dogos that sleep outside or on cold surfaces are very likely to get arthritis prematurely.

   Reno

Dogos can get sunburned if they are left out in the sun all day. They are most likely to burn on the head where the hair is very short. For this reason, Dogos need shade when left outdoors for more than an hour or so. Dogos are white. Any white animal’s skin is more sensitive to irritants than a darker animal’s skin. Dogos don’t have severe skin problems, but they are definitely sensitive to irritants in their diet and environment.

Like any large breed, Dogos are susceptible to Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD). Any Dogo that is used for breeding should have its hips x-rayed and the x-rays should be submitted to a recognized organization (OFA or GDCor PennHip) for evaluation and certification before the dog is ever bred. If anyone tells you that the Dogo (or any other large breed, for that matter) doesn’t get hip dysplasia - run- in the other direction as fast as you can - they are either a liar or a fool.

While eye disorders don’t seem to be much of a problem in the Dogo, the ethical breeder will have their dogs screened for congenital eye disorders (Progressive Retinal Atrophy, Cataracts, Glaucoma, etc.) before the dog is ever bred. These tests should be performed by a board certified veterinary opthalmologist who will issue a certificate that can be registered with the Canine Eye Registry Foundation (CERF).

As in any predominantly white animal, some Dogos are afflicted with congenital deafness. An individual may be deaf in both ears (bilateral deafness) or in only one ear (unilateral deafness). - Dogos can be BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) tested as early as 5 weeks old to determine if they are normal or unilaterally or bilaterally deaf.  This test is adminstered by a vet or by a specially trained veterinary technician and requires special neurological equipment similar to electro-encephalogram equipment (EEG).  A computer readout will show an increase in the dogs' brain activity in response to an auditory stimulus in each of the dogs' ears if the dog hears normally.

Dogos can be dog aggressive, however it usually isn’t uncontrollable, and it runs in families and varies with each individual. Lack of early socialization with other dogs is also a contributor to dog aggression. Typically, the Dogo would rather play but is not inclined to back down from a fight if another dog wants to start one.  The Dogo is not a dog that can be expected to get along well at a dog park with a lot of strange dogs.  It is generally not recommended to try to keep a male Dogo in the same household with another male of a large breed. This is asking for trouble.  Dogos also often exhibit frustration or displacement aggression as well as food/bone guarding.

Dogos are extremely intelligent and need a lot of exercise. So Dogos left alone for long hours in the back yard can be expected to relieve their boredom by amusing themselves in ways that you probably won’t find so amusing - such as digging craters, chewing on the house and tearing down trees and bushes, or escaping. Dogos need a job to do or else a lot of exercise.

Because of their incredibly strong hunting drive, Dogos absolutely, positively need to be obedience trained. Because the Dogo is very sensitive, obedience training needs to be done using a lot of positive motivation (praise, treats and games). Most obedience trainers use training methods that are too harsh for the Dogo - so the Dogo owner needs to be very selective when choosing an obedience trainer.

In the Dogo, the Martinez brothers have created a masterpiece that greatly surpasses their original goal. The Dogo has proven to be highly versatile. Dogos are successfully used as guide dogs for the blind, drug detection dogs, police dogs, wheelchair assistance dogs, therapy dogs and as competitive working dogs in Schutzhund and in French Ring Sport.

DON’T GET A DOGO IF...

· you can’t make a serious commitment to keep the dog its’ entire life.

· you really like the breed, but want one with no hunting instincts because you have other animals - (either put up stronger, higher fences or get another breed)

· you think that keeping a dog chained up or in the back yard is perfectly acceptable.

· you think that dogs are free spirits and should be allowed to roam and follow their instincts and just be a dog.

· you don’t have the time or energy to see that the dog gets plenty of exercise.

· you are an inexperienced or novice dog owner.

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Thunder Mountain Dogo Argentinos

About Us

Thunder Mountain Dogos is owned and operated by Karolyn Harris. While Thunder Mountain kennel is not a big kennel, I do take great pride in professionalism, honesty and integrity.

NARA Decoy Chris Wike working Gator in a Ring trial.

 

Karolyn holding Bubba's leash while Doug White plays tug.

Karolyn was previously in the USAF Reserves serving as a C-141 Flight Engineer and is currently attending UC Davis, majoring in Wildlife Biology (with an emphasis on Animal Behavior) with the goal of becoming a veterinarian.

Thunder Mountain kennel is a Code of Ethics breeder registered and inspected by the Sacramento Council of Dog Clubs (a non-profit organization dedicated to the humane and ethical treatment of purebred dogs.)

Additionally, Karolyn has been a member of the Argentine Dogo Club of America since its foundation in 1989. She was selected by the ADCA to be the ADCA Member of the Year in 1992 and to receive the 1992 Trailblazer Award for her dedicated efforts and outstanding performance in furtherance of the ideals of the club and the breed. Karolyn is also a member of the Sierra Nevada Argentine Dogo Association, a non-profit club dedicated to the preservation of the Argentine Dogo as an unspoiled working hunter. More recently, Karolyn was flown to Paris France by the French Dogo Club to judge their first annual Dogo specialty show.  The co-judge was non other than the reknowned Dogo expert who helped the Martinez brothers write the breed standard - Mr. Ruben Passett-Lastra.  There were 108 Dogos at this show from all over the world, and it was the largest assembly of Dogos anywhere to date.

Karolyn has had the honor and privilege of training Gator to titles in French Ring Sport. Gator was one of the top ten scoring Ring I dogs in North America and is the first French Ring II  titled Dogo in the entire world! My foundation bitch, Cuda, is the second Dogo in the world to earn a French Ring Brevet, and one of their puppies, Murphy, is the fourth Dogo in the world to attain a French Ring Sport title. Currently, there are only 4 Dogos in the world that have earned titles in the demanding sport of French Ring.

Thunder Mountain's "Murphy" FRI at a Ring Sport seminar

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Goals and Policies.

At Thunder Mountain  Dogos Argentinos, I am dedicated to promoting, preserving and improving the Argentine Dogo for its’ power, agility, working ability, exotic beauty, toughness and raw courage.

I want my puppies to go to homes where they will be loved and cared for as a member of the family. Dogos are very people oriented and do not make good kennel or backyard dogs.  It is my belief that the Dogo is a breed apart, and as such the Dogo is not for everyone. TMK definitely does not recommend the Dogo for a novice or inexperienced dog owner. Dogos bond very tightly with their families and, once mature, do not transfer ownership easily - basically, Dogos are one family dogs. Therefore I am very selective about prospective buyers and we ask you to honestly and intelligently evaluate yourself and your lifestyle and to ask yourself, "Is a Dogo the dog for me? Can I make the commitment to keep this dog its’ entire life?"

Do you have the time, facilities, and dedication required to raise and care for a Dogo properly?

Are you willing to put forth the time and effort necessary to socialize, exercise, supervise and train a Dogo?

Have you considered that owning a Dogo is a 10 - 15 year commitment?

Are you aware that Dogos can be dog aggressive?

Are you aware that Dogos are bred to track and pull down large wild boar, and as such, will always have an extreme drive to kill other animals such as cats, rabbits, poultry, goats, sheep, cattle, horses, etc.?

With this in mind, are you prepared to take strong preventative measures (6 foot fences, chain link kennels, etc.) to insure your Dogo does not have the opportunity to follow its instincts?

Are you aware that Dogos don’t tolerate cold weather very well? (They can work and play in it, but can’t live in it without some form of external heat.)

Are you aware that Dogos, because of their white color, may be bilaterally or unilaterally deaf and that their skin is sensitive to irritants in their diet and in their environment and that they sunburn easily?

At TMK, litters are thoughtfully planned and puppies are sold by reservation to approved homes. This gives you time to be mentally and physically prepared for your new arrival. A deposit of $100.00 is required to reserve a puppy. The deposit goes toward the purchase price of the puppy but will only be refunded if TMK is unable or unwilling to complete the sales transaction. All sales, terms, and guarantees are in writing. This protects you, us, and most of all the Dogo.

All of my breeding stock is certified free of Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD), congenital deafness, congenital eye disorders (such as blindness, Progressive Retinal Atrophy and cataracts) and Von Willebrand’s disease (VWD). All puppies are BAER (Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response) tested for deafness and tattooed before shipment.

Unfortunately, because of the unpredictable recessive nature of CHD and because the dog’s environment is a factor, I can’t absolutely guarantee that every puppy will be free of CHD; however I do offer compensation to the owner of a puppy that is x-ray diagnosed as dysplastic or with any other congenital defect (blindness, VWD, etc.) The compensation offered is proportional to the degree that the dog is unable to fulfill the purpose for which it was bought. I require that all breeding quality puppies be certified free of CHD, VWD, and congenital eye disorders by a recognized institution before they can be bred. TMK requires that pet quality puppies not be bred and that they be neutered before they reach one year of age.

Prices depend on the quality of the dog’s bloodlines and on the accomplishments of the sire and dam. Presently, prices range from $1000.00 to $2500.00, and include ear cropping and deposits for obedience training and neutering ( if applicable). Time payments may be arranged and breeder’s terms are available to select individuals. The puppy must be paid for prior to shipping which is at 12 weeks. Shipping fees are to be paid for by the buyer. All payments by cashiers’ check or money order. payable to: Karolyn Harris.

All dogs are sold on a co-ownership basis. TMK’s interest in the dog will be released upon completion of all contractual requirements (such as neutering and pre-breeding genetic screening tests.) All Dogos sold will have their registration papers held by Thunder Mountain Kennel until all contractual obligations (neutering or genetic screening tests such as hip x-rays and eye exams) are met by the buyer and proof is submitted to Thunder Mountain Kennel.

TMK reserves the right to confiscate, without recompense, any dog that I sell, if in my reasonable judgment the dog is abused or neglected or if at any time the buyer is involved in any dog fighting or drug trafficking activities. TMK will consider a dog to be neglected if it is denied any of the following:  sufficient daily food; fresh water; shelter from sun, wind, rain and cold; clean living conditions; proper grooming and exercise; veterinary attention when needed; vaccinations/medications recommended/prescribed by a veterinarian; or significant daily social contact. TMK will automatically consider any Dogo kept on a chain, or any unsupervised Dogo allowed to roam freely, to be neglected.

TMK reserves the right of first acquisition should the buyer become unable or unwilling to maintain ownership of the dog.

We ask you to carefully consider your decision to acquire a Dogo, because I love these dogs and are very concerned about what their future will be. Thunder Mountain Kennel will do everything possible to keep our "babies" out of animal shelters, research laboratories, puppy mills or the hands of greedy backyard breeders.

Should you wish to reserve a puppy, contact me for a reservation package. When you receive your reservation package, fill out the questionnaire completely, especially the questions regarding what type of Dogo you want and what activities you plan to participate in, and return the questionnaire to us. I will contact you if we feel that one of our Dogos would be compatible with your lifestyle and situation.

We ask that buyers contact TMK should any questions or problems arise. I am happy to share our knowledge and experience with buyers who have questions about ear cropping, training, grooming, etc.

If you are considering buying a Dogo, do your research thoroughly - there are many unethical breeders involved in this breed.  Take your time. Come and visit me. A video tape and brochure are available for $25.00 if you are unable to visit. Please just send a check or money order to the address below.  For further information on upcoming litters, a phone call is preferred to a letter since time is not our most abundant resource at TMK.

If the Dogo is the breed for you, once you have entered into a partnership with a Dogo, you will have a most rewarding and satisfying relationship with your rare and magnificent companion.

Thunder Mountain Dogos Argentinos

Karolyn Harris

PO Box 156

Indiahoma, OK 73552-0156

Tel/Fax: 580-246-3550                           e-mail: TMArgdogos@aol.com

Life's short - bite hard and where it hurts!

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Links to Other Dogo and Rare Breed Sites.

(This section under construction.  Not all links are working yet.)

Dogo Sites

             Stillwater Kennel  - Michelle Smith-Barbour

             USA Dogo site - by webmaster Aaron Aramendiz

             German Dogos - Johnny Zyta's website.

             Blancos Tiburon - Thomas Brachfeld

             Italian Dogos - Massimo Inzoli

             Cabana Agallas

           

Beauceron Sites

           Les Hombres Valereux

Working Dog Sites

           North American Ring Association - national club for French Ring Sport.

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