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For the Dead? -by Tony Warren
Psalms 88:10-12
The land of forgetfulness is where the unsaved dead are. It is a place where there is no memory, where they are not capable of anything, because they are in darkness and silence. Death for them is a state of unconsciousness, as they wait their judgment at "The Last Day." They have no knowledge, no praising of God, and thus most assuredly, no intercessions. Psalms 6:4-5
When the unsaved die, there is no consciousness or memory. How then are these souls supposedly interceding for us, suffering penance, or purging their sins, when they do not recall God, or anyone else? They don't speak with God, they don't pray for us, and they can't give God thanks! They have no remembrance! Moreover, why would we need their intercession? Did not Christ atone for "all" of our sins? Is He not the intercessor who, by His suffering, redeemed us from all unrighteousness? If we were Saved before we died, we do not come into any condemnation whatsoever. And if we were not Saved when we died, then the judgment is appointed unto us. This judgment is not something which can be plea bargained down to something we can handle, it is divine justice which must be meted out. The full wrath of God which His righteousness demands! It is not only unbiblical, but it is illogical to conclude that man should pray for those who have died yet in their sins. For if they have any stain of sin yet unpurged at death, then after death, is the judgment thereof. Hebrews 9:26-27
All of our sins, bar none, were put away "once" by the sacrifice of Christ. Anyone who needs purging from sin at death, has obviously never had his sin atoned for by Christ in life, and is thus still dead in trespass and sin. Revelation 20:13
This is the righteous justice of God. The dead will be judged according to their works. If they have sin, they will be justly condemned of God. No amount of praying will help them! They are in silence, waiting for this white throne judgment. Hebrews 9 informs us, it is appointed unto men to once to die, and then we are judged! It doesn't get much clearer than that! There is nothing in God's Word which states otherwise, and yet the Roman catholic documents deny this most basic of truths:
"Holy Mother Church is extremely concerned for the faithful departed. She has decided to intercede for them to the fullest extent in every Mass and abrogates every special privilege in this matter" (Vatican II, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences, V, Indulgences not Attached to Things and Places, Norms, 20, p. 87). Circumvent Christ's personal intercession for the living, by man's interceding after they are dead? This is antithetical to God's Word. The "faithful departed" need no concern by us, for they have no sin before God, and can not come into condemnation (Romans 8:1). As for the unfaithful, it is clear that neither Jesus Christ, the Apostles, nor the Church growing from them, have never shown concern for the dead, their concern is always for the living. This is not a truth to be trampled upon as insignificant, or worthlessly cast aside. And it indeed is very understandable that they wouldn't tend to the dead, since the whole tenor of the gospel is that the time for everyone to get right with God is in this life, not in the life to come. Now is the acceptable time for Salvation. Hebrews 2:3
The catholic retort to God seems to be, "we escape very easily, we can neglect Salvation in this world, and escape by men's prayers for us after we are dead!" That is basically the bottom line of the doctrine of praying for the dead. The humanistic reasoning of those who cannot bear to believe the truth about the death of loved ones or friends. But the principle applies that, "he who loves friends, father, or mother, more than Christ, is not worthy of Christ (Matthew 10:37)." Christ, and His Word comes first, except we have left our first Love! Matthew 8:21-22
Luke 9:59-60
Jesus is not teaching the Church to be concerned for the dead, but just the opposite. Don't be concerned with the dead, tend to the living! Preach the gospel to them that are alive, they are the ones who can benefit from it, not the dead. Like Lazarus, they've already had their chance in life. Tend to the Living! In the whole of the Bible, both New Covenant and Old, there exists not one single solitary example of true Children of God praying for, to, or with, the dead! 2nd Corinthians 5:8-11
We labor in this world, and we know that all must appear before the judgment seat and receive in Himself the judgment of the things done in his body. Therefore nothing can add to a man good works, after he has left the body. And except Christ paid for our bad works in life, we must pay for the bad works ourselves, after death. That's why the scriptures says, knowing this, we persuade men! i.e., that's the reason we preach the gospel to men while they are alive. Because we know of a surety the fate of those who neglect Salvation now and die without conversion! Roman catholics also theorize that if man is assisted by prayer after this life is over, this is the result of the things he had done in the body, and therefore, these good works of others, are his. But this begs the question! Even if it were true (which it isn't, because it's not things "he" did in his body), it still fails to answer the fundamental question of his bad works. In other words, what about his sin! No one is going to heaven for his good works, they go because of the good work of Christ! But unless one has been Saved in this life, he is destined for hell as judgment for his bad work on earth. That is a fundamental tenet of true Christianity! For a man's works, whether good (in Christ) or bad, follow Him. We must all stand before God with those works. Revelation 14:12-13
That is the reason why the Apostles preached so fervently, because no one is promised to see tomorrow, and the time to be born from above into a new creation, is now! When one dies, the time of adoption of sons is finished, and his works follow him, whether in Christ, or his own dead works, which must be condemned of a just God. John 3:5-6
Catholic doctrines inherently implies man can be born again, after physical death! This is without any foundation in scripture! And if he is born again in this life, then he needs no prayers after death, for he is perfect, without blemish, without spot, having been washed clean in the blood of the Lamb! At least, that according to the Word of God! The unsaved are kept in store, reserved unto the 2nd resurrection and the judgment. 2nd Peter 2:9
Not reserved until they get out of purgatory, but reserved unto the day of their judgment! So where do such untenable doctrines come from? If it is not from the scriptures, then where did Catholics get it? The truth is, it comes from carnal men, who for their own purposes, took advantage of the melancholic desires, wishes, and superstitions of men. These ideas are simply pagan traditions handed down "as if" it was Church doctrine.
"In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honoured with great respect the memory of the dead; and ‘because it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins’ she offers her suffrages for them." Our prayer for them is capable not only of helping them, but also of making their intercession for us effective. (p. 958) Though these men attempt to mix apples and oranges, there is quite a bit of difference between burying and honoring the memory of the dead, and in praying for, to, or with the dead, after death! Clearly, not only do these hold claim to being able to help the dead, but that the dead can help the living. Just how the dead can help us, when (by their own admission), the dead themselves (supposedly) need our help, is yet another illogical and contradictory conclusion. Of a truth, when your assumptions are unbiblical, your conclusions will be unbiblical! But when you do not assume, but abide by the Word of God, your conclusions are based on solid foundation. Psalms 115:17-18
The dead cannot intercede for us, they can't speak, they cannot talk to God, they know nothing, they are in silence, awaiting the day when they must all stand before God and give account. It is only the souls of the believers who have had their sins paid for, who praise the Lord after death. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord! But the dead, who are not in Christ do not praise God, as they know nothing, can do nothing, and thus cannot intercede for anyone. Ecclesiastes 9:4-5
Ecclesiastes 9:10
As contrasted with those Saved, who die, and yet cease not saying Holy, Holy, and praising God. Scripture shows that the unsaved who die, know nothing and are in darkness, in silence, saying nothing, and remembering nothing, until they are raised in the 2nd resurrection to stand before God. And of the Saved who die, not one word is spoken about them interceding for anyone! For they are new beings, which serve God, and not themselves. And why would we who live on earth pray to another intercessor, and make a mockery of God's Chosen Vessel to intercede on our behalf? Is the Lord's arm so short that it is so ineffective as intercessor, we need the dead? Isaiah 59:16
Hebrews 7:24-25
That we would need some other intercessor, who can't even intercede for himself, is frankly, ridiculous! We have an intercessor, and our intercessor lives forever making intercession for us. It is the Spirit of Christ which is our advocate, not the spirits of dead people. A Spirit which ever lives to be our advocate before God! Our prayers are tainted with sin, even without our knowledge, and Christ takes our prayers, and speaks for us in what is God's will, and for God's purpose, that we are always praying "Perfectly." What dead can do that for us? Romans 8:26-27
This is the Spirit which helps our weaknesses, not souls of the departed! And the key here is, according to the will of God, not the will of man, nor the will of the dead interceding for the living, or the living interceding for the dead. ..as if this were possible! Some catholics are uncomfortable with their phraseology, and so insist that they pray "with" the saints, not "to" them. However, if one is communicating, or attempting to seek out or pursue the dead in any way, they are by very definition, practicing Necromancy. This is the pagan religious practice which is customary in nearly all pagan religions. Deuteronomy 18:9-12
We are not to be charmers [chabar], or those fascinated with the spirits, we are not to ask of, or consult the [owb] familiar spirits of the dead, we are not to be a Wizard [yidd'oniy], or one who is in commune with the spirits, we are not to be a necromancer [darash], or one who pursues or seek out dead spirits. I mean how much plainer can it be? Moreover, we have biblical examples of the abomination inherent in this desire to seek help from the dead. 1st Samuel 28:3
1st Samuel 28:6-7
Saul wants to speak with the dead and seeks out this witch of Endor to help contact the dead Samuel, because God wouldn't answer Him, by dream or by His prophets. This witch brings up an evil spirit (Not Samuel, as the wicked have no command of God's saints) as Samuel, which God uses to prophecy and tell Saul the punishment for his evil ways. The very next day Saul dies at the hands of the Philistines! A Witch has no power to call up the Righteous spirits of the dead, and God had already made it clear He wouldn't answer Saul by dream or Prophet, but God uses this evil aberration (as he did the evil High Priest Caiaphas) to prophecy, and illustrate the wages of such wickedness. This communing with those who have died is always pictured by God as evil. In all of the Holy canon, there is not one single instance where praying to, for, or with the dead, is a Godly act. On the contrary, as we see, it is pagan and unGodly! Some unmoved, confess, "OK, OK, there is no mandate for this, but what is really so wrong with praying for the dead?" My answer is, Everything! First of all it is a testament to our ignorance of the truth of God's Word. Second, while the Roman catholic books may say it is a holy and proper thought to pray for the dead, scripture condemns it by telling us after death, is the judgment, we are to tend to the living! Third, God condemns it by telling us that the dead know nothing and are in silence. Fourth, God tells us that it is in this life that we must be warned, repent, and be purged of every sin by the Lord. In the next age, it will be a time of judgment. Fifth, it denies that the wages of sin in this life is death, and makes the wages of sin, Purgatory instead. Further, unless there is some community of life between the dead and the living, then no one is assisted by the prayers of one for the other. But no community between the dead and the living exist, therefore, neither the suffrages or prayers of the living, nor the suffrages or prayers of the dead, profit one or the other. As so vividly illustrated by our Lord in His parable of Lazarus, to he who hath an ear to hear: Luke 16:20-31
Many things we see illustrated in this parable. And number one is that the dead cannot intercede for those living on earth, and number two is that even the righteous (Abraham) couldn't intercede for the wicked. What was Abraham's response to Lazarus about those on earth who he wanted to intercede for? He says, No, they have Moses and the Prophets (a synonym for the scriptures), let them hear them! And if the people on earth won't hear that, then he says, "neither will they hear if one rose from the dead" to intercede and warn them. i.e., if man doesn't hear the scriptures, He won't hear Christ (He who rose from the dead to) tell them. He is therefore Lost! A lesson by God for all of us who have the ears to hear it. Those on earth (the living) have God's Word, and that's all they have, and they must hear by that, or they will not hear! Romans 10:17
It is by God's Word that He draws men to Him and gives them the faith to overcome. It's not by prayers to the dead, it is living faith by hearing God's word, that we'll pray for the living! And we note the though Catholic catechisms say praying for the dead can help loose them from their sins, God (who is our Authority) says praying for the living will help loose them from their sins, in Christ. James 5:15
It doesn't say, after he is dead, pray, for it will save him, it illustrates that his forgiveness is in this life! While he is yet sick, not after he is dead! James 5:20
Shall save a soul from death doesn't mean physical death. If we could be Saved from this second death, after physical death, then is our preaching that, "how shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation," in vain! This is where the prayer of the true Christian should be. Where it can do some good, in the prayer of faith. Not in prayers for an outcome which has already been decided by a man's works in this life. Jesus Christ does not need help from anyone, we need no other intercessor! Not Mary, not Saints, nor our dearly departed friends and relatives! Therefore there is no good, nor need in praying for or to the dead! For we cannot change the destiny of anyone once they have died! That moment seals the fate of that person. Whether as a Saved man, absent from the body, and present with the Lord (2nd Cor. 5:8), or to be absent from the body, and in silence and having no consciousness again until the second resurrection and judgment. And so before anyone prays for another deceased loved one, or Saint, they should face the very pertinent facts. These are unbiblical traditions of men, not the Word of God, and are borne out of man's humanism, and his leaning unto his own understanding, rather than God's Word. God's Word never calls for praying for the dead, nor does God imply that it does any good. On the contrary, God's word illustrates that it is against God's will, as his decision has "obviously" been made. Not a sparrow falls to the earth without God's say so. His will for us is that we feed His sheep, and attend to the living! Therefore, let us go forth with renewed vigor to honor God with more than mere words and traditions. Let us go forth praying for the living, and serving the living God by worshiping Him in spirit and truth. For superstition and pagan rituals involving the dead, are the way of the unrighteous, not the way of the Godly. The heart of the righteous honor God by honoring His Word. Honoring tradition or the commandments of men, over God, is going the way of the Scribes and Pharisees, who went before us. Matthew 15:8-9
The doctrines of men verses the commandments of God. There is a difference! And no one is going to escape accountability by claiming that they didn't know the difference! For we are not led by men, but by Word of God. It is the Spirit of God which reveals truth, through God's Word. Praying for the dead is like asking God for fertilizer to help a tree, after axe has been laid to the root (Luke 3:8-9), and it has already been chopped down! We need to stop wallowing in pity and face the fact that at this point, it's too late to help that tree! The time for prayers for people is now, while they are alive! Once we are dead, our fate is sealed! Do we not understand why King David prayed and besought the Lord for his sick Child so long as the child was still alive. But he got up and ended beseeching the Lord after he knew the child was dead! He "obviously" understood what so many pagan religions today do not! That the time for supplication and prayer is while men are alive. While they live "as dead" in their trespass and sin. Not after God has taken them, and they are appointed to the judgment. We humbly pray that the Lord, who is Gracious and merciful above all, would give us the wisdom to discern His truth, and the strength to turn away from all unrighteousness in these doctrines of men. Amen!
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