Socrates & Plato

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Socrates v. Sophism & Skepticism

"Crito we owe a cock to Aesculapius.  Pay it and do not neglect it."

§         There is objective knowledge

§         of truth

§         and value

§         we can arrive at  dialectically, by reasoning together

§         like legal reasoning -- thesis v. antithesis -- but

§         the object is to discover the truth

§         not winning the argument

§         and not just agreeing either!

§         Three innovations

§         Universal definitions

§         Inductive dialectical method

§         Ethical emphasis

§         Ironic practice

§         Virtue = knowledge: denial of akrasia

§         “A man who really fights for the right, if he is to preserve his life, even for a little while, must be a private citizen, not a public man."

§         “The unexamined life is not worth living.”

§         “And is not this the most reprehensible form of ignorance, thinking one knows what one does not know."

§         "[A]nd if . . . I am wiser in anything, it would be in this, that not knowing . . . I do not think I know."

§         “When people make a wrong choice of pleasures and pains – that is, of good and evil – the cause of their mistake is lack of knowledge.  … So that is what 'being mastered by pleasure' really is--ignorance, and most serious ignorance.” (357d-e).

Knowledge

§         Received issues

§         appearance v. reality

§         one v. many

§         problem of change

§         possibility of knowledge

§         How is change possible?

§         Cases other than absolute creation or destruction.

§         assume variation (i.e., change)

§         of something that remains one and the same thing (i.e., unchanged).

§         Two realms

§         sensible things: changing “visible” reality.

§         unchanging Forms that things can take. 

§         "[I] remind you of the distinction we drew . . . between the multiplicity of things that we call good or beautiful or whatever it may be and, on the other hand, Goodness itself or Beauty itself and so on.  Corresponding to each of these sets of many things, we postulate a single Form or real essence, as we call it."

 

NOTE

§         Plato's "Ideas" are Objects of Knowledge: e.g. the idea that we share of The Dog, The Tree, etc.

§         not private mental events -- mere thoughts

The Forms

§         General character: unchanging natures that individual things temporarily "participate in" or "resemble": immaterial, insensible, unchanging.

§         Mathematical Application

§         Mathematics embodies knowledge & makes discoveries.

§         That are not about sensible things.

§         Ethical Application: There are objective values.

§         Scientific Laws: always & everywhere true

§         Beliefs are  based on perception and are unreliable due to the vagaries of sensible reality.  Harry is a bachelor.  The light is red. 

§         Knowledge of unchanging truths is secure: Bachelors are unmarried.  What's red is not green.

§         "[Geometers] are not reasoning, for example, about this particular square and diagonal which they have drawn, but about the Square and the Diagonal; and so in all cases."

§         "[T]he many things we say can be seen, but are not objects of rational thought; whereas the forms are objects of thought, but invisible."

 

REMARKS

§         Two minds with a single thought

§         meaning

§         communication (c.f. Gorgias)

§         Universals v. Prototypes

§         Articulating the real essence -- the Form -- defines what it is to be a thing of that type.

The Divided

Line

§         IDEAL REALM: THE FORMS: objects of thought

§         Higher Forms: Goodness, Beauty, Etc.

§         Objects of Intelligence (intellectual insight): Pure Reason

§         Universals

§         Lower Forms: Numbers and Geometrical

§         Objects of hypothetical thought: Understanding

§         Abstract Particulars

§         PHYSICAL WORLD: sensible objects; concrete particulars

§         Things, Objects: Bill, MJ; rocking chair, folding chair.

§         shadows, reflections images

§         "Take a divided line divided into two equal parts, one to represent the visible order, the other the invisible; and divide each part again in the same proportion, symbolizing degrees of comparative clarity and obscurity."

§         "And now you may take, as corresponding to the four sections, these four states of mind: intelligence for the highest, thinking for the second, belief for the third, and for the last imagining.  These you may arrange as the terms in a proportion, assigning to each a degree of clearness and certainty corresponding to the measure in which their objects possess truth and reality."

 

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